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Discussion in 'Off-topic' started by Phil, Jan 26, 2007.

  1. Cardano

    Cardano Member

    I found this on a financial forum - authored by someone called Mike Holmes. It is a very witty and thorough analysis of the state of the American mortgage market. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but the sentiment is clearly right -



    In a manner of speaking. The way modern mortgage finance works is:

    Algie borrows from Bertie the lender/broker/bank.

    Bertie sells the loan (or technically the income stream arising from the
    loan) to Clarence.

    Clarence collects 1000 mortgages and turns them into an asset backed
    bond (mortgage-back) which makes a monthly payment which is the
    aggregate of the mortgages in it. Clarence may insure this against
    default (with credit default swaps); against interest variance (interest
    rate swaps); or against currency risk (currency swaps). One of the
    problems to note in this market is that mortgage-backs tend to have
    individualised contracts (see later).

    Clarence sells his package to Daniel who collects a whole bunch of
    mortgage-backs. These get a credit rating from one of the agencies who
    rate how likely a bond is to go into default or credit-imapirment.
    Usually the rating will be below best (best is AAA in the jargon).
    However Daniel wants to sell AAA bonds because they fetch a good price
    and are rated highly enough to be held in pension funds etc. Daniel
    needs to turn mortgage-backs rated only B into AAA assets.

    To manage this alchemy Daniel takes his bunch of mortgage-backs and
    makes a CDO (Collateralised Debt Obligation). He splits the CDO into
    tranches. Contracts are set up so that the first defaults hit only the
    bottom tranche ("toxic waste" in the lingo), then the next up
    ("mezzanine") and then the rest ("equity"). So most of the risk is piled
    on the very bottom tranceh, some on the rest, ad the top tranche only
    gets hit when all the others have been wiped out. These tranches are then
    rerated with the equity tranches hopefully this time getting a AAA rating.

    These then get sold to Eddie the Hedge Fund Manager. Eddie obviously
    prices his bids such that he gets much more interest if he takes on
    mezzanine or toxic waste bonds. Often enough though these will be hard
    to sell at a good price and Daniel will just hold them on his own
    books.

    Eddie typically gets a billion or so of his subscribers money and then
    borrows nine billion on the back of that from an investment bank so that
    he can buy loads and loads of CDOs and lever up his profits (and his
    annual bonus).

    Of course the flip side is that if these somehow drop in price by 10%
    then the net investment of his clients goes to zero. An 11% drop means
    the bank is then losing its money. If that happens though, Eddie will
    wind up the fund and start another one where he'll do the same. In a
    good year Eddie's fund gets 20% of multi-billion rises and in a bad year
    zilch. For Eddie, the good years generally cover the bad ones enough to
    keep him in yachts made of caviar.

    Part of what Eddie is holding is the risk of the CDO going into default
    and he's effectively being paid for that in interest. If however he
    doesn't want to hold that risk then he can transfer risk portion to Freddie
    the Insurance Guy. Freddie is in the business of rating risks and
    taking a premium to insure derivatives against default.

    Freddie now has an income stream coming in from insuring the CDO.
    That's just the sort of stream that an asset-backed bond can be made out
    of. Freddie takes a bunch of these, splits them into tranches as with
    the CDO and then sells these on to Gary the derivatives trader. These
    are "synthetic CDOs". This one's a "CDO Squared" but there are CDO
    Cubed derivatives as well which have been round the lather, rinse,
    repeat cycle one more time.

    So far, so straightforward (OK I simplified). So what's gone wrong?

    Well, the trouble with all these CDOs is that nobody really knows what
    they're worth. There are some lovely equations that will tell anyone
    who wants to know (just as there were telling the PhD's and Nobel
    prizewinners at LCTM that if they held out long enough, the market would
    conform to their theories) exactly how to value them. These values were
    all priced as "held to redemption" which means based on the idea that
    they'd pay their interest on time every month and then return the
    capital value when they expired.

    This seemed a pretty good bet because so few people would default on the
    mortgages on which the whole edifice was based. After all, prices
    hadn't fallen in the US since The Great Depression in the 1930's
    (technically The Great Depression II since the 1880's depression was
    also accorded that title). Thus anyone in trouble with the mortgage
    could just sell the house, pocket the profits and pay any outstanding
    mortgage arrears out of those.

    It was such a good bet in fact that ever more money was thrown at it.
    The Japanese have generally found themselves with an embarassment of
    savings and their own banks had an interest rate of zero. This was as a
    result of Japanese house prices falling by 50% through 90% between 1989
    and now as a result of an awfully similar setup in Japan in the 1980's.

    But everyone figured that lightning doesn't strike twice, and a six
    percent return looks pretty damn good when the alternative is zero, even
    if deflation is automatically hiking the value of cash under the mattress.

    Then there's the Chinese. Their currency is low against the Dollar and
    they make most of the stuff consumed in the US because a low
    currency, plus low wages, makes stuff cheap. So the yanks raise as much
    cash as possible to buy Chinese goods. They raise this by remortgaging
    the house to "realise" the money they've made by their houses rising in
    price. This of course also creates a whole bunch more mortgage-backs and
    CDOs. The US then gets a trade deficit of 6% of GDP (a size which
    killed Argentina) and the only thing the yanks export to China is
    Dollars to pay for it all.

    So what's your average Huan to do with a few trillion Dollars? If he keeps
    them under the mattress he'll need a spacesuit to sleep. So he sticks it
    into the banking system and it all ends up in Jim-Bob's hand when he
    remortgages and uses the loot to buy more Chinese made plasma screens.
    All this leveraged cash being bid on housing (nobody ever bid rationally
    when they were bidding with someone else's money) guaranteed that [rices
    would rise, thus closing the loop.

    That then is the nice little virtuous circle of money that's been running
    the world economy pretty much since the bonds crash of '94.

    Remember that part where the pricing was predicated on "held to
    redemption"? Well, that there's one of the flies in the ointment.

    The warnings were there in 1994 when Countrywide (big big US mortgage
    guys) saw the mortgage defaults climbing on their mobile homes unit.
    In that business though, the way to deal with defaults is to grow the
    business faster than the rate of defaults is rising, that way the
    percentage of overall business which comprises the defaults will fall,
    and that will keep the creditors and the shareholders happy.
    Surrendering business to competitors by being more careful with loans is
    not the way you get to be, or stay, Numero Uno

    Lather, rinse, repeat across the entire business and everyone is trying
    to expand their loans book. After all, it's not like they're on the
    hook for the loans. They make 'em, sell 'em on and with the money from
    the sale they can make new loans. They get a sparkly fee on every one
    and they get income for servicing them every month too. There are no
    prizes for being too careful. It's what's called "perverse incentive"
    amongst folks paid to be less than credulous about the wonders of
    markets.

    Thing is that when around two thirds of folks already own homes, the
    other third are pretty much deadbeats who can't even keep their car
    loans or credit cards current. Still, if they're the market then they
    gotta be sold more loans. What's interesting is that these guys also have
    their own perverse incentives.

    Let's say you start with zilch. You can get a 100% loan on asset A.
    Every year asset A appreciates by 10%. You do this and after a year
    you've made 10% of the value of asset A from nothing. After ten years
    you've made 100% of the value of asset A (more if you include
    compounding). There are only two catches. One is that every 90 years
    asset A goes down by maybe 90%. The other is that you have to be able to
    service the loan.

    On catch one. If you start with zilch and you hit the bad year, you go
    bankrupt and end up back where you started. If you hit any of the good
    years, which is much more likely, then you're in the money. It's a
    no-brainer: having nothing to lose is a positive asset on that bet.

    On catch two. That's where the creative business comes in. The lender
    will offer a 2-28 loan. The first two years will be discount years.
    You might only have to pay the interest but no capital. You might not
    even have to pay all the interest (a "negative amortisation" or "neg-am"
    mortgage). They'll roll it up into the capital. Sure, you'll have to
    pay the normal subprime rate (2 to 3 percent above that of a normal
    monrtage) plus capital repayments (remember that rolling up part?) but
    by then house prices will have risen 20% so you can remortgage with 20%
    down and get a prime mortgage. Sorted!

    In fact, a better plan would be to buy a house bigger than you want or
    can afford and then at the two year mark sell and buy the one you do
    want. That way you maximise your profits. Sure, you can't afford the
    full payments on it, but this way you'll never actaully have to make
    them see? Of course your income statement needs to show that you can,
    but this is a "no-doc" loan where you don't have to prove it and we will
    never check. If you tell me you earn twice as much as you really do,
    I'm obliged to believe you. Sign here, and here....

    So the bankers have the incentive to make loans without regard for
    whether the borrowers can pay and the borrowers have the incentive to
    take loans regardless of whether they can pay. The bondholders, square,
    cube, or dododecahedral meanwhile have everything priced for perfection
    and keep on shovelling cash into the maw of the beast.

    So everyone ignores the mobile homes ructions and buries them in a slew
    of new loans. The trouble starts when some folks start going into the
    28 part of the 2-28 and some others who have never been able to make two
    months of payment in a row on a car loan are running into trouble on the
    third month of their home payment. Some folks never even make anything
    but the first payment they made when they signed the forms and just live
    rent-free until the courts run out of patience. Meanwhile the Mafia
    have noted the "we don't check" part of things and are taking mortgages
    on houses that don't even exist (we don't even check that!) and
    vanishing with the cash.

    So subprime mortgage defaults ratchet higher and higher. Some of the
    more creative lenders see defaults nearing 20%, though 5% and climbing
    is around average.

    A finance house called Bear Stearns runs two hedge funds which play the
    CDO markets. They're borrowing in one case ten and the other five times
    the cash their investors put up. As noted above, the market doesn't have
    to drop so far to run the value to zero. Their bankers notice these
    subprime defaults and a little lightbulb goes off in some worrywart's
    head and he gets on the phone to ask for more deposit or call in some
    loans.

    The price of CDOs based on subprime have been falling and these hedgies
    have some problems repaying just at the moment. They ask for help. The
    other houses, remembering that Bear Stearns were the guys who refused to
    help bail out LTCM when it looked like global finance was about to
    collapse, decide to give 'em some of their own medicine and refuse.

    The hedgies have to quickly raise cash to repay the bank. They decide
    to sell some CDOs on the open market. The first lot go at 80% of value
    and the mood quickly sours. By the time bids are down to 30% of alleged
    value, the other funds figure that if stuff actually sells at that and
    the price gets recorded, they'll have to mark their own assets down so
    far that they'll be in trouble too. They get the auction called off
    by promises to help the hedgies in trouble. Sooner or later though
    investors in one fund are told they'll get nothing and the others will
    get pennies on their billions.

    Over the next month everyone else starts to take note and worry about
    what's on their own books. Bondholders quit buying subprime CDOs,
    mortgage-backs or indeed anything to do with them and sell whenever they
    can actually get a bid.

    Subprime banks can't resell their mortgages due to this. If they can't
    resell, they can't make more. The subprime market grinds to a halt. If
    you can't make new mortgages, not only can't you earn fees but you can't
    keep drowning the defaults in an ever-expanding business. With no new
    business, every default increases their percentage. This looks bad to
    bankers and investors. They want their money back.

    There's worse to come. All those mortgage-backs are individual
    contracts. Many say that if 6 months of payments aren't made on time,
    they can be sold back to the bank at the original price. Bad loans
    start piling in. Mortgage banks, some of them big ones, start going
    bankrupt. A hedge fund and a mortgage bank a day go bankrupt, some in
    Australia, France and Germany. Financial contagion starts.

    Folks then start to worry about Alt-A mortgages. They're not subprime.
    Typically they're second mortgages of prime borrowers who took out
    another loan to borrow the 20% deposit. Defaults are climbing on those
    too. The Alt-A markets start to shut down.

    Then there's the jumbo loans. Big loans made on big houses to folks who
    are prime borrowers. These start to look dodgy and things grind down
    there too. By now 60% or so of the mortgage markets in the US are having
    difficulty making loans.

    Demand for houses has been dropping leading to a mismatch between
    sellers and buyers and now most buyers may not be able to get credit.
    Folks know that this will ratchet down prices yet more. With 4 million
    homes about to hit the 28 part of the 2-28 in the next 18 months, this
    means that a bunch of people will be unable to sell out of a foreclosure
    (reposession) situation because they're already in negative equity.

    This means that defaults will ratchet up yet more and put more
    mortgage-backs and CDos into trouble. Conservative estimates based on
    this and the current default rate are that foreclosures will easily hit
    a rate of 2 million per annum.

    Congress tries to organise help for homeowners in trouble through
    renegotiating loan terms. However, any individual loan they look for
    was packaged with another 999 and sold. Then these were wrapped up with
    other packages and sliced and diced and sold again. Then these were
    reinsured, packaged and sold, then sliced and diced and sold again. Try
    finding your own mortgage in that lot to renegotiate it and then repeat
    the trick two million times. Many folks are stuck just trying to find
    the guy who owns their mortgage, never mind get a deal. This while
    they're on the clock for having their furniture put on the lawn.

    Besides, it turns out that a lot of the contracts at some point of the
    proceedings specify that loans can't be renegotiated or that only a
    small percentage can. The renegotiation effort runs into the sand.

    Some of the banks try to organise bailouts of some mortgages that can be
    saved. However there's a problem. Remember those credit default swaps
    which pay if a bond goes into default? The guys holding the other end of
    those deals will make money when things go awry and they've been making
    their monthly payments on that basis. They're an essential part of the
    mortgage markets. When the banks try to save mortgages, these guys sue
    for breach of contract and interference in the markets. It's essentially
    insider trading. The banks thus have their hands tied too.

    The latest knights in shining armour are being called to the battle.
    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These are the twin mortgage supergiants who
    insure or own 90% of US prime mortgages. They have 1.4 trillion of
    mortgages on their books with capital of about 3% of that (readers
    who've been following the bits about leverage will spot the flaw here).

    Their markets have not seized up mainly because bondholders figure that
    the Federal Reserve (US central bank) will always bail them out if
    there's trouble. This ain't written down anywhere, but Fannie and
    Freddie get preferential borrowing rates on the back of it, which
    explains how they competed to get 90% of their markets.

    However Fannie and Freddie have been naughty. They played fast and loose
    with their numbers, somewhat like Worldcom and Enron, and lost or hid 15
    billion or so between them. Even they don't know because a veritable
    army of accountants are still trying to figure out their numbers for the
    past few years. The financial cops spanked them by limiting the amount
    of mortgages they could speculate in by holding them on their own books.

    What they and their friends want now is for them to have the limits
    moved or removed so that they can ride in and save the day. Those
    who've read my meanderings in the past will know I have had them pegged
    as Ground Zero for a future credit crunch. That future is now and the
    irony is not at all lost on me. Who knows though? Perhaps taking a
    bunch more dodgy mortgages onto their own books will be the straw that
    breaks the camel's back
     
  2. Gareth

    Gareth Member

    Nice article. Thing is I can see the UK's dodgy self cert mortgage market being just as bad. The type of people who self cert often take out huge personal loans etc, and with higher interest rates now, it wouldn't take much for the default rates to rocket.

    Perhaps a fall in house prices is also on the cards, given that the average actuarial type cannot afford a decent house anymore...
     
  3. Cardano

    Cardano Member

    Around November 2003, either Panorama or "The Money Programme" did a programme on the self cert scandal ("lie to buy" mortgages) and interest rates began to rise at the same time. I thought that was the peak then - the perils of trying to predict market tops and bottoms. I personally believe if the BOE had not eased in 2005, but had continued tightening then the US would not be a year or so ahead in the cycle.
     
  4. Cardano

    Cardano Member

    I feel I should put in the famous Warren Buffett quote here


    "It's only when the tide goes out that you learn who's been swimming naked."

    When everyone is enjoying good times, you don't know who has taken on excessive risks.
     
  5. 12345

    12345 Member

    Interesting stuff Cardano...my question is, what happens next? Won't the Federal Reserve lower interest rates and provide some breathing space? Although many of these funds are revealing themselves to be worthless, surely the us government will intervene and bail them out - it's in their interest to keep the whole charade going?

    Forgive me if my questions seems simple, the bulk of my economic knowledge comes from CT7 so blame the Institute...(actually I did follow up and read 'the death of economics' by Paul Ormerod and 'the money machine' by someone whose name escapes me and I will admit it rather than googling it!)
     
  6. Cardano

    Cardano Member

    12345, When you have a massive credit expansion, then the accumulated debt will either be liquidated by deflation ( the preferable option) or hyperinflation ( the worse option) or hyperinflation followed by deflation (the nuclear option).

    The Fed's panic action last week is an indication it would like to liquidate it by inflation, but it is only a half hearted move at the moment. The discount rate is the rate at which the Fed lends to banks, not the Fed funds rate which is more akin to the BOE base rate ie the rate at which banks lend to each other. However I expect this to follow next week.

    The problem is America doesn't control its own interest rates as the US is the world's largest debtor nation. If China and Japan and a few other oil producing nations (eg Saudi Arabia) don't like what America does they can just sell their vast stocks of US Treasury bonds and force up US interest rates. Speculators can also do the same thing using derivatives but unlike the aforementioned crediter nations they will then be short and have to buy them back

    Likewise mortgage rates are not decided by the Fed or even the mortgage company's/ banks they are decided by the buyers of the Mortgage Backed securities, or collateralised debt obligations. If those buyers have massively rerated the default probabilty, as they will almost certainly have done in the last few weeks, then they won't be asking 8% for subprime loans, they'll be asking 18% or 28%. There will also be a rerating of the prime loans as well as we enter a real estate bear market. Thus there is a limit to what the Fed can do.

    "Helicopter Ben Bernanke" made his reputation by studying the depression and has said in the past he would chuck money out of helicopters in order to stop another one. He is unfortunately in for a a rude awakening as China and Japan are not going to allow that.

    After my PhD I postdoc ed in Germany for a year and the stories that made such an impact on me were those about the East front (particularly Stalingrad) and those about The Weimar republic. You may be unfamiliar with what happened under the Weimar republic, but if Ben starts raining money down from helicopters, there won't be enough helicopters in America to keep up. The US will have an inflation rate exceeding Zimbabwe's.

    The best that can be hoped is that this is staved off for another cycle. ie if the Fed eases and the money ends up being borrowed to bid up the price of some other speculative commodity (shares, land, tulip bulbs etc etc). If it ends up bidding up the price of food, fuel, clothes etc then the Fed will have to raise rates as soon as they drop them.

    I personally believe we have reached then end of the road. People are so endebted they just can not borrow anymore, but precisely how quickly this unravels and what precisely happens is anyone's guess. My advice to you or anyone else reading this is to work hard, pass your exams, be nice to people as you may need them over the next few years, save your money (in T-bills not in banks) and for god sake rent a flat don't buy a house.

    Be in no doubt Britain is in a lot worse position than the US
     
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  7. 12345

    12345 Member

    Thank you for the lucid response Cardano. I'm very interested in seeing who this whole sub-prime fiasco works out particularly as nations like Russia, China and all have a lot of cash to throw around.

    I rent and certainly won't be suckered in to bidding up an already overvalued property market, although the t-bills advice is intriguing - why them rather than domestic banks?
     
  8. Cardano

    Cardano Member

    The banking system usually fails in a debt liquidation regardless of whether the liquidation is deflationary or hyperinflationary.

    Incidentally if the British government does hyperinflate make sure those T-bills are Swiss Francs. (Short term government bonds are just as good). By the way I am old enough to remember inflation at 25% in the mid 1970's. The Barber boom was liquidated in this manner and the secondary banking system collapsed.

    Any short term government instrument is generally safe in an advanced economy, due to fact that government needs to roll them over in the near future. The long term bonds/gilts are less so as the government control the rules and can reduce the coupons or extend the terms and there is SFA anyone can do about it. The Government does not need to roll over its long terms debts. Long term bonds are also an incredibly bad investment in an inflationary environment
     
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  9. 12345

    12345 Member

    A quick look at the bond rates offered (http://www.smartmoney.com/bondmarketup/) indicates short term (3 month) rates of about 3.12% - surely at the moment I would be better off putting cash in an ISA which can return a higher rate? Are you specifically referring to the "what if..?" scenario of hyperinflation?

    Please forgive the layman..
     
  10. Cardano

    Cardano Member

    12345 - I don't think it matters too much what you do over the next few months as I doubt the situation will develop so quickly.
    I am going to remove all my money from the banking system over the next few months just as a precaution, though I think any full blown crisis might be several years hence. How the situation develops remains to be seen. If I had a crystal ball I would be a billionaire.

    Incidentally this is worth a read

    http://canada.theoildrum.com/node/2871#comments
     
  11. King

    King Member

    Those are based on US Treasury bills, can't really c.f. with UK cash ISAs.
     
  12. 12345

    12345 Member

    No of course, I realise that all of this is speculative, just trying to process the information received in some logical fashion.

    King - I thought T-bills were US Treasury Bills? When T-bills were being discussed, that is what I took them to mean, which may be where I've confused myself. Re-reading it all, I think the T-bills term is used to discuss government bonds in general?
     
  13. Cardano

    Cardano Member

    T-bills is basically a generic term for any government's short term instruments issued at a discount.
    I probably should have used the term more carefully as short term gilts/bonds are just as safe in any financial crisis and they are of course available in small denominations and longer terms
     
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  14. King

    King Member


    I guess you're right in that 'T-bills' is more commonly used to describe US Treasury Bills. The comparison with ISAs threw me - sorry.
     
  15. Cardano

    Cardano Member

    The first building society failure occurred today

    http://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=149462&d=11

    As far as I know this is only the fourth bank failure in Britain since the secondary banking crisis of 74/75 (including BCCI, which was a money laundering exercise). I suspect it will be the first of many
     
  16. Cardano

    Cardano Member

    On the 19th December 1973, a fraught meeting occurred in the Bank of England between the then Governor and representatives of a fringe bank "Cedar Holdings". It was decided that the Bank of England could not let "cedar Holdings" fail and it acted as lender of last resort and bailed out the first secondary bank.
    Yesterday a similar meeting occurred betwen Mervyn King and representatives of the board of "Northern Rock". The result was the same.

    In case anyone is interested in the history of the collapse of the Barber boom and you all should be, because what is happening now could possibly be the most important financial event of your actuarial lives, this book is very good

    http://www.hindsight-books.com/detail.php?catid=1890
     
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  17. Cardano

    Cardano Member

    Phil is this still your considered opinion 8 months on?

    I don't think I would put you in charge of my money and I would hate to think what damage you could do in a responsible actuarial position
     
  18. avanbuiten

    avanbuiten Member

    Bring on the house price crash!

    Just hope I'm still in a job to take advantage of the change in economy.
     
  19. avanbuiten

    avanbuiten Member

    Just how many times can/will the BOE keep bailing out others with emergency lending? There has got to be a tipping point where even they start to worry about getting their money back? I know at present they are doing it because the alternative isn't worth contemplating, but if they start to belive they can't make a difference anymore, what then? I suppose they could just keep lending at an ever higher rate, but again there will be a tipping point where the rate is just to high to comtemplate. Then one by one, banks/building socities etc will be refused more credit and then we see the start of the collapse of half (more?) of the banking system. Matter of months? I think these things tend to happen quite fast once a little bit of momentum gets going!
     
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  20. examstudent

    examstudent Member

    soz wrong msg
     
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  21. thomasb

    thomasb Member

    To be fair to Phil, your original worst case scenario has not yet materialised.
     

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