X5.7 - ii - ART

Discussion in 'SP9' started by Viki2010, Sep 14, 2014.

  1. Viki2010

    Viki2010 Member

    Just wondering why the list of ARTs does not include TRORS?
     
  2. Simon James

    Simon James ActEd Tutor Staff Member

    TRORS are not mentioned in Lam's list of ART (p97 of first edition).

    It would not be unreasonable to add them to the list - but perhaps they are not very "alternative"?
     
  3. Viki2010

    Viki2010 Member

    Yes, I have checked Lam and they are not on his list. What do you mean they are not very alternetive? They seem to be an alternative for CDSs.
     
  4. Simon James

    Simon James ActEd Tutor Staff Member

    Lam categorises risk transfer products as traditional (eg insurance), derivatives (eg swaps) and then ART (mixing features of insurance and capital markets).

    So, "alternative" in this context means "non-traditional" or "innovative" rather than simply "replacement for".
     
  5. Viki2010

    Viki2010 Member

    Thank you. My question is why TRORS is not classified as an alternative product.
    I don't see why not.
     
  6. td290

    td290 Member

    Surely the point is that TRORS is a swap and therefore falls far more naturally into the derivative category. ART would normally signify an alternative to a traditional insurance product. TRORS doesn't really come into this category.
     
  7. Viki2010

    Viki2010 Member

    Thank you.
     
  8. Viki2010

    Viki2010 Member

    However, Credit Default Swap is also a derivative/ swap but yet classified as an ART.
     
  9. td290

    td290 Member

    If anything it's the treatment of CDSs that feels odd to me. Arguably there's a thin dividing line between derivatives and insurance. However the fact that CDSs are tradable combined with the possibility of naked trading would suggest to me that a CDS is a derivative rather than a form of ART.
     
  10. Viki2010

    Viki2010 Member

    ok, but of ST9 the CDS is an ART while TRORS is not....:cool:
     
  11. Simon James

    Simon James ActEd Tutor Staff Member

    Today, I would place CDSs in the "mainstream derivative" camp. Even when Lam wrote the book 10 years ago the CDS market was worth $3.7trillion. Perhaps it was "new" for the uses he envisages.

    Anyway, describing something as ART (or not) is largely subjective. Other than Lam's list and the CR definition, examiners will not a have a definitive view on what is or is not ART. They will be more interested in you being able to discuss how risks are transferred by such vehicles.
     

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