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That's a patronising statement.
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That's a patronising statement.
Only someone with low moral standards would agree with a statement like that.
Not at all! I may want to change the risk appetite statements of my company and decide to bring in Consultants to prepare a report about RAS seem elsewhere etc.
I, as the CEO, could then present the findings and recommendations to the Board of why my company's RAS should change.
Where is the 'low moral standard' in that....
That's a patronising statement.
Ok - for the sake of not diverting the debate let me apologise if you have found any of my comments on this narrow point patronising.
FYI - Leadership is predominately about managing relationships and the differing aims and objectives different stakeholders may have.
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Not at all! I may want to change the risk appetite statements of my company and decide to bring in Consultants to prepare a report about RAS seem elsewhere etc.
I, as the CEO, could then present the findings and recommendations to the Board of why my company's RAS should change.
Where is the 'low moral standard' in that....
That's bringing in 'experts' to agree with your point of view.
It harms the Profession's reputation if Actuaries are just going to be some useful 'experts' who can spin some facts together (and omit some other important facts) for a few quid.
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Ok - for the sake of not diverting the debate let me apologise if you have found any of my comments on this narrow point patronising.
FYI - Leadership is predominately about managing relationships and the differing aims and objectives different stakeholders may have.
I'm not interested in your lectures about leadership which sound like something you've brainwashed yourself with from some self-help book. Stick to the topic at hand.
That's a posh way of saying you have to be quite corruptible and engage in unethical activities
It's not about being corruptible and unethical; it's actually more about recognising we are human beings and understanding that no one person is an island and must therefore bring others on the journey with you. This often involves compromising.
I'm not interested in your lectures about leadership which sound like something you've brainwashed yourself with from some self-help book. Stick to the topic at hand.
Haha! Not at all. As it happens I have actually co-founded a business that's doing well so am actually talking from stone cold experience. And to think you accused me of being rude no less than 5 minutes ago... it's laughable.
As for your point about not being interested in lectures on leadership... I suspect whether you need it or not will depend ultimately on how ambitious you are. We all could do with lessons on softer skills; I'd personally take a free lesson from anybody anytime.
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That's bringing in 'experts' to agree with your point of view.
It harms the Profession's reputation if Actuaries are just going to be some useful 'experts' who can spin some facts together (and omit some other important facts) for a few quid.
OK. I suspect me continuing this debate with you is a little futile so I will make a peaceful exit.
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It's not about being corruptible and unethical; it's actually more about recognising we are human beings and understanding that no one person is an island and must therefore bring others on the journey with you. This often involves compromising.
Compromising your ethics for a few quid? Well well, no wonder the world is in such a mess.
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We all could do with lessons on softer skills; I'd personally take a free lesson from anybody anytime.
Why bother with spin and flattery, just put a few quid in some brown envelopes...
Compromising your ethics for a few quid? Well well, no wonder the world is in such a mess.
For the avoidance of doubt; nobody said anything about compromising ethics
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For the avoidance of doubt; nobody said anything about compromising ethics
Oh you didn't mean that, really?
Oh you didn't mean that, really?
Haha! You have a certain view of the world, which combined with your pessimism has hardened your beliefs. Let's leave it at that.
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Haha! You have a certain view of the world, which combined with your pessimism has hardened your beliefs. Let's leave it at that.
Yes I see it for what it is. It's not pretty.