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Discussion in 'CT3' started by High91, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. High91

    High91 Member

    The very first two questions to this paper ask about the empirical skewness coefficient or to find the probability empirically...
    I want to know where in our stats pack have we been taught this?
    How on earth is a student supposed to know what this thing means..!! :mad:
     
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  2. nick.campbell

    nick.campbell Member

    I don't have the paper and haven't seen the question, but empirically simply means 'by experiment'

    Without any prior knowledge, if you flip a coin 100 times and it comes up heads 70 times, empirically you would say there is a 70% probability of heads in any given flip.

    You use sample formula to find other empirical results

    EG.
    empirical mean = [sum x(i)]/n (first moment about origin for a sample)
    empirical SD = sum (x (i) - u)^2 / n-1 (second moment about mean for a sample)
    empirical skew = third moment about mean for a sample
     
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  3. High91

    High91 Member

  4. Calum

    Calum Member

    You use n-1 for a sample; if you have the entire population, you use n. Have to agree I wouldn't consider this particularly obvious.
     
  5. nick.campbell

    nick.campbell Member

  6. High91

    High91 Member

  7. bapan

    bapan Ton up Member

    You are computing theoretical measures here. You are not working with samples. In fact if you notice in the solution there is no division by 'n' or 'n-1' involved here.

    It may be worth revising Section 4.1 of the notes again.
     
  8. nick.campbell

    nick.campbell Member

    This is all to do with the definition of skewness. Skewness is defined to use variance with an n instead of n-1. So here the variance with an n is calculated as part of the interim steps taken to calculate the skewness.

    If the question had explicitly asked for the variance too, the answer would require you to use the n-1 version.

    Technically both are consistent, they both converge to the population variance as n tends to infinity, it's just the n-1 version is unbiased, so more preferable.
     
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  9. High91

    High91 Member

    Ya, got it.. Sorry, my mistake. :(
    Thanks, bapan & nick.
     

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