FAP exemption to CP1

Discussion in 'CP1' started by padasala, Oct 30, 2018.

  1. padasala

    padasala Active Member


    Would the FAP exemption to CA1 continue with CP1?
  2. Helen Evans

    Helen Evans ActEd Tutor Staff Member

  3. trevor888

    trevor888 Keen member

    Padasala, your friends in the IFOA cannot make up their mind. I have been waiting since last year for the exemptions agreement to be released and it is still not finalized yet. Even the SOA waivers for IFOA has been released by now. This is extremely frustrating for students who need to plan their exams.
  4. KevinB

    KevinB Keen member

    I don't think they should give a CP1 exemption for FAP modules. I work in North America and had to put in considerably more work for CA1 than my colleagues did for FAP. Everyone passes the FAP if they put in a small amount of effort, in contrast CA1 is a grueling 50 chapter beast. Can't see how the exemption is fair.
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  5. AlexLky

    AlexLky Keen member

    I emailed the institute but the administrators aren't sure when they'll receive the information. But when it's available they'll post it on their website.

    I agree CP1 is much more grueling but honestly you could say the same about most of the other IFOA modules vs the SOA modules. (Also the added fact that they don't have to do a CT6/CP2/CP3 equivalent). Although if there is to be cross acknowledgement there has to be exemptions. The exemption isn't fair but neither is getting exemptions through university...
  6. almost_there

    almost_there Senior Member

    Then IFoA should also withdraw from its mutual recognition agreement with SoA if it's no longer fair. I doubt they will since they are involved in a number of completely unfair MRAs for many years.
  7. Himani

    Himani Made first post

    I beg to differ. The assignments are not straight forward. Additionally, the amount of time available for interim and final assessments add to the challenge. I think I learnt a lot while I was writing FAP. A lot of times I would google to enhance my understanding of some key concepts. I think FAP is designed to promote interactive learning while you work through your case studies and assignments. They have a lot of content and reading through all that upscales you as an actuary. I would think through real world challenges and build onto my concepts further. And it breaks my heart to see how FAP is being perceived. The only benefit that I see is that you don't have to wait for 6 months to submit your assignment again if you fail any.
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  8. ahujas

    ahujas Keen member

    I second that!! FAP was one of the hardest 'exams' I've sat amongst all! For reference, I have sat Indian exams, UK exams, SoA FAP and also have an MSc in Actuarial Science (!) and I have found UK exams the easiest tbh. 10/15 of my exams are direct passes from IFoA, although I must admit it is party down to the excellent support from the employers and additional acted support.

    FAP actually made me learn a lot more than what I'd learnt in my fellowship exam from IFoA (which I passed in the first sitting with half the effort I put for FAP) or my MSc!
    I think what I am trying to say is that all exams are equally difficult and it's pointless to argue why exemptions exists on this forum and we should all get on with our lives :)

    With regards to the original question, I'd passed FAP before the 2019 change in syllabus and IFoA granted me exemption under the new system. Hope this helps!

    Good luck with FAP - you need it haha!!

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