Cam Bridger
Keen member
I'm not understanding the part on margins, page 416 of 582.
"For example, if the price of bond futures fell to £93,000 the following day, then you as the buyer would have made a loss of £1,000, whereas the seller would have made a profit of £1,000. You as the buyer would have £1,000 deducted from your margin account, and may have to top it up by paying the clearing house £1,000, and the seller’s margin account with the clearing house would increase by £1,000, which could be removed by the seller from the account."
So the following day is the day after the agreement is made with the bond to be bought in 3 months time still. (At this point is the clearing house holding the bond that has been sold to it by the seller?)
The price of the bond falls by 1000.
An initial margin was deposited into the clearing house and 1000 of that initial margin (to be topped up if the initial margin was less than 1000) is removed to pay the clearing house as they're out of pocket 1000 as they're holding the bond?
The buyer (also?) has to pay another 1000 to the seller's margin account? And then bother the clearing house and the seller are up 1000?
So is the buyer in this case down by double whatever the decrease is in the bond price?
Or have I misunderstood and the buyer pays the clearing house 1000 and this 1000 is then given to the seller's margin account?
Thanks, the wording on this one isn't very clear to me.
"For example, if the price of bond futures fell to £93,000 the following day, then you as the buyer would have made a loss of £1,000, whereas the seller would have made a profit of £1,000. You as the buyer would have £1,000 deducted from your margin account, and may have to top it up by paying the clearing house £1,000, and the seller’s margin account with the clearing house would increase by £1,000, which could be removed by the seller from the account."
So the following day is the day after the agreement is made with the bond to be bought in 3 months time still. (At this point is the clearing house holding the bond that has been sold to it by the seller?)
The price of the bond falls by 1000.
An initial margin was deposited into the clearing house and 1000 of that initial margin (to be topped up if the initial margin was less than 1000) is removed to pay the clearing house as they're out of pocket 1000 as they're holding the bond?
The buyer (also?) has to pay another 1000 to the seller's margin account? And then bother the clearing house and the seller are up 1000?
So is the buyer in this case down by double whatever the decrease is in the bond price?
Or have I misunderstood and the buyer pays the clearing house 1000 and this 1000 is then given to the seller's margin account?
Thanks, the wording on this one isn't very clear to me.